Vice-President for Academic Affairs Roger W. Heyns, however, stressed the concern for the individual convicted for "gross indecency."

"It's a real tragedy when this sort of thing occurs and there cannot be a standing rule about the treatment we give a convicted homosexual," Heyns said. "Whether or not he's asked to leave depends upon the case and upon the circumstances. There is no automatic dismissal.

Like Any Felony "Every felony, not just 'gross indecency' is handled this way. But some felonies are more serious than others and homosexuality is considered to be very serious indeed," he added.

Heyns also indicated that the nature of homosexuality, not the nature of the law making it a felony, is the reason for dismissal action. "Certainly these people need all the help they can get, but we have to think about protecting people with incipient tendencies as best we can, and often this entails dismissal.

"However, we don't just throw faculty members into the street; rather we seek to get them po-, sitions elsewhere," Heyns said. Most of these "positions” are outside education.

Less Severe Treatment Generally students convicted of homosexualiy are given much less severe treatment than faculty members. The students are suspended until such time as they present verification (a note from a psychiatrist) vouching that they are good social risks.

Administrators explained that this is because a certain amount of experimentation is quite normal, but that homosexuality in adults is more serious and more advanced and thus requires stronger controlling, measures.

The opinions of individuals less involved with the University or who dealt with homosexuals are gen-

erally much more tolerant of them than those expressed by University administrators, or by the police.

Psychiatrist's Opinion

A psychiatrist, many of whose patients have been homosexuals, and who has worked with several of the men arrested and later found guilty of "gross indecency," views the problem in terms of long-range good and evil.

"The real focus of the question. is whether or not this police maneuver will do any good for the community. And I rather tend to think not.

"Moreover, these arrests and the public trials have been absolutely devastating to some of these men. They've been ruined forever by the police work and publicity," he said.

Vague. Question

He also cited the medical question of homosexuality, a rather vague question, he said, since the problem differs greatly from individual to individual.

"There are many kinds of pedple caught by the police. Some had never practiced it before, from what we can tell. Others, of course, have been active homosexuals for quite a while.

"In none of these cases will their activity be modified or curtailed by legal punishment.”

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He also said it was likely that many of the adolescents arrested last May are not confirmed homothat they probably sexuals wouldn't become confirmed homosexuals, and that, in all likelihood, they were engaging in "experimentation" quite normal at some stages of adolescence, and it was only through freak chance that they were caught.

No Medical Basis

"The law says that homosexuals at large can convert others-there is no psychological background for this; there is only legal background. Granted that some men are sucked in as a result of these activities, it's not just from one

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experience in a Union 'John'; rather, it's from their childhood experiences."

He also said that everyone has engaged in some sort of homosexual activities, and that, to some extent, homosexual relationships are necessary to insure that normal heterosexual relationships be successful.

"Boys and girls in sorority and fraternity houses discuss their sexual experiences and excite each other there's nothing, abnormal about this. It is a part of the educational process."

Arrest Least Guilty

He asserted that the police often arrest those who deserve it least, since long-time practicing homosexuals are rarely apprehended. "However, I think that most homosexuals could spot a police officer-unless the officer acted as a homosexual would. With this in mind, I feel that entrapment was very definitely used," he said.

He also felt that the residence hall system may quite definitely promote homosexual activity.

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"The whole problem is that most people are so afraid of homosexuality, without knowing just what it is, that they'd rather have punitive measures than anything else," he said.

Another man deeply concerned about the homosexual problem, John W. Conlin, Jr., a defense attorney for some of the alleged homosexual offenders, also said that entrapment which occurs when a police officer attempts to initiate criminal action may occur

Perhaps No Crime

"I entrapment exists, no crime was committed," he said.

Defending arrested homosexuals two years ago, Conlin and other members of his firm charged that police had used entrapment. However, Judge James Breakey threw that charge, as well as charges that the offenders made no overt attempt and that the statute was unconstitutional, out of court.

The trials for all of the 30 arrested last May have not yet been concluded. Over half the accused have already appeared in courtalmost all pleaded guilty. In all

"In any culture which bars normal heterosexual relationships, except through marriage, as ours probability they will be given a does, there's bound to be homotwo to five year probationary term sexuality. It's almost a physiologias well as charged court expenses cal necessity. And where contacts and a fine in excess of $250. are restricted, the incidence of homosexuality quite definitely goes up."

Women Uninvestigated Although the police have never held surveillance on women's layatories, because, Krasny said, of

Everyone spoken to for this article agreed that it was a pity that so many lives had to be ruined to protect society as a whole. And everyone felt that a better way to handle the situation can be found. But there were no confident solu-

a lack of complaints, the psychiations offered and it will likely be trist asserted that it's likely that only a matter of time before the there is more homosexuality next thirty men are arrested and among women than men. charged with "gross indecency."

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